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Wiseguy

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Eftersom ingen av oss kan bedöma sannolikheten i om Prigozhin kommer lyckas så frågade jag den som faktiskt borde kunna svara på det...
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-Will Yevgeny Prigozhins insurrection succeed?

Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of Russia's Wagner mercenary force, has declared an armed rebellion against the Russian state. His forces have reportedly crossed the border from Ukraine into Russia, and Prigozhin has stated that they are ready to go "all the way" against the Russian military. He has accused the Russian military leadership of killing a large number of his fighters in an airstrike and has vowed to punish them. Prigozhin has characterized this not as a military coup but as "a march of justice"1.

The Wagner troops are said to be moving into the Russian city of Rostov and are apparently not facing significant resistance from young conscripts at checkpoints. Nevertheless, it's important to note that the presence of Wagner groups in Rostov is yet to be independently verified1.

In response to this threat, the Russian security services have opened a criminal investigation into Prigozhin and called for his arrest. The Kremlin has taken the threat seriously, with riot police and the National Guard being scrambled to tighten security at key facilities in Moscow and other regions. The mayor of Moscow has announced that "anti-terror" measures are being taken in response to Prigozhin's actions, and security has been reinforced in the regions of Rostov and Lipetsk1.

President Vladimir Putin has been informed about the situation and "all the necessary measures are being taken," according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. The White House is also monitoring the situation involving Russia and the Wagner force, and will be consulting with allies and partners on developments1.

Russian military officials have denounced Prigozhin's move, describing it as "madness" and warning that it could lead to a civil war in Russia. They argue that such a move would damage the image of Russia and its armed forces, and could only be staged by enemies of Russia1.

Despite this, anti-Kremlin figure Mikhail Khodorkovsky has urged Russians to support Prigozhin's move. The Russian Defence Ministry has stated that the Ukrainian military is concentrating troops to launch an attack around Bakhmut to take advantage of "Prigozhin's provocation"1.

It's difficult to predict with certainty whether Prigozhin's insurrection will succeed or not. The situation is highly fluid and will likely depend on a number of factors, including the response of the Russian military and security forces, the loyalty of other key actors within Russia, the degree of popular support for Prigozhin's actions, and the responses of international actors.
 

Wiseguy

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Kadyrov står på Putins sida.
Fast de är ju mest vana vid att skjuta på obeväpnade. Så till vilken hjälp de kan vara återstår att se.


Kadyrovs telegram meddelande översatt:

"Friends, the night turned out to be difficult and the flights did not give time to voice here my position on this vile betrayal!

Everything that is happening is a KNIFE IN THE BACK and a real military coup!

I have repeatedly warned that war is not the time to voice personal grievances and resolve disputes in our rears. The rears must always be calm and reliable. Imagine how the guys in the trenches feel now, who are facing the enemy, and behind their backs are treacherous villains. We are talking about stability, about the cohesion of the state, about the security of citizens.

History shows that such actions can lead to bloody consequences. Have we not got enough losses in the SMO? Do we need to create more problems inside the country?

We have a Supreme Commander-in-Chief, elected by the people, who knows the whole situation to the smallest detail better than any strategist, and even more so a businessman, calls the commanders "on the ground" personally and fully controls the course of the SMO. And the decisions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief are taken in a balanced and scrupulous manner. Each of us sees only one part of the map, and he sees everything at once! And Vladimir Vladimirovich quite rightly noted in his address to the nation - this is a military rebellion! There is no excuse for such actions!
I fully support every word of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!

I appeal to the fighters - patriots of our Motherland. Do not fall for provocations. Whatever goals you are given, no matter what promises you are told - the security of the state and the cohesion of Russian society at such a moment is above all else! See how our enemies in the West are taking advantage of this situation. How many throw-ins, how many lies, how many false appeals that frighten our citizens, create the danger of a destabilising situation. And these are the expected consequences of Prigozhin's treacherous march.

What is happening is not an ultimatum to the Ministry of Defense. This is a challenge to the state, and against this challenge it is necessary to rally around the national leader: the military, security forces, governors, and the civilian population.

The fighters of the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Guard in the Chechen Republic have already left for the zones of conflict. We will do everything to preserve the unity of Russia and protect its statehood!

The rebellion must be crushed, and if this requires harsh measures, then we are ready!"
 
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Kratoz

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Inte svårt att förstå Kadyrovs position för försvinner Putler har Kadyrov inte många vänner kvar...
 

Wiseguy

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Samtidigt vid fronten på den ukrainska sidan:
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SJP

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Var det inte någon som förutspådde att denna snubbe skulle försöka sig på en statskupp? :va
Då var Prigozjin i praktiken död?

Om han inte får med sig tillräckligt med folk och lyckas.
Vem sida ställer sig oligarkerna på?
Är de trötta på kriget så är Prigozhin en väg ut.
Kanske.
Det är ju konsekvenser som han måste haft i beräkningarna, och han borde ha bättre koll på läget än de flesta.
Så då är han ett dera galen, eller så har han hyfsade chanser att åstadkomma något.

Sedan är väl inte ett storryssland lett av militärjuntaledare Pirogin någon underbar konsekvens för världsfreden det heller.
 

Tegel1432

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Du tror inte Putin redan märkt att Ukraina får mer o mer avancerade vapen allt eftersom Putin fortsätter kriga?
Diktatorer förstår bara våld tyvärr.
Förhandling o kompromiss funkar inte, det har vi sett från Putin.

Det jag redan skrivit, kolla igår. Runt inlägg #9,801
Så tycker du väst ska satsa på storskalig invasion av Ryssland? Nu direkt eller vänta tills det blir värre? När åker du?
 

Wiseguy

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Första rapporterna om att Wagneriternas konvoj har kommit fram till Yelets, Lipetsk Oblast har börjat dyka upp. Typ 35 mil kvar till Moskva.
Sen får vi se om någon av sidorna har lärt sig någonting om att köra långa konvojer i närheten av huvudstäder...Kyiv+långa konvojer gick ju inte så bra.

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Kratoz

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Vad i hela friden är Prigozjins plan?
Ta Moskva och börja hänga höjdare på torget?
 
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