Old Badger
SportHojsentusiast
Jag tror han lyckades vinna trots att han körde en BMW.
I Supersport vet jag att han inte hade några problem förutom att han inte stod högst på pallen...
Kvalitetsmärket BMW
- Thread starter BMW R90s
- Start date
Jag tror han lyckades vinna trots att han körde en BMW.
I Supersport vet jag att han inte hade några problem förutom att han inte stod högst på pallen...
Old Badger
SportHojsentusiast
Duktig Peter...men så kan väl inte du köra med ditt ,gamla engelska lik ...
Helt rätt, men jag trivs gott i sadeln ändå!
När inte ens Tobias klarade av att vinna med den klumpen är allt annat än sistaplatsen en vinst. Men jag har aldrig haft problem med kardan eller ABS.
sportbilsentusi
Obotlig bil/MC/klock och musik/HIFI-nörd
Haft BMW boxer och en dröse japs. Numera Honda sedan ca 10år.
Inga problem med BMW, japsen bra de med.
en yammamoppe av tre, har haft minimala problem.
Bra underhåll är nyckeln.
Min kawa 200 (första MC’n) hade vissa problem men som första hoj var den gammal o risig
Hoztic
Alltid på väg mot nya mål
Bra inlägg som ser till att SportHoj bli mer levande!
Jag tycker du låter lite teknikfientlig.
Tycker du att brytare är bättre?
Jag håller med dig, de kräver visserligen lite kärlek och omvårdnad men går att laga.
Nej, jag är långt ifrån teknikfientlig, eller för den delen utvecklingsfientlig, men jag har efter att ha jobbat med kritiska/känsliga system i både samhälls- och produktionskritiska miljöer i några decennier insett att finesser som finns där utan egentligt praktiskt behov, eller att ha absolut senaste tekniken, bara ställer till problem. Tekniska lösningar ska vara mogna, robusta och lagom avancerade för att uppfylla dom behov man har, men inte mer än så, då har man skalat bort många felkällor. Jag har faktiskt aldrig glömt nyckeln i bilen, eller i hojen, så jag ser inte problemet.
Sen älskar jag kluriga finesser, men då är det mer ur teknikporrsperspektiv, inte i något som ska användas i praktiken, och time to market styr utveckling, testning och kvalitet.
Och ja, jag har farthållare i bilen, och nej, jag använder den otroligt sällan, eftersom jag ofta upplever att bilen drar mer med den (den är ju inte prediktiv och ökar i nedförsbackar och backar pyttelite uppför tex). Och jag är generellt sett emot system som passiviserar mig som förare. Visst är det bekvämt att ha benen lite i kors, luta sig tillbaka, ställa farthållaren på skyltat och sen bara mata mil. Men det är inte min bild av en säker och aktiv förare.
Old Badger
SportHojsentusiast
Jag håller med dig i allt, och jag blir kallad teknikfientlig av de som vill ha all denna, i mitt tycke, onödiga skit.
När jag lägger benen i kors, lutar mig tillbaka och matar mil då kör jag inte, nej jag åker, åker tåg!
Nu började jag som nybörjare köra med BMW-folk men det är mer än 40 år sedan så även om propellern känns igen
Bra bilder och härligt språk!
Modärn teknik är skit! 9.05 in men inte en BMW
"Alla som har åkt äventyr med hoj har antingen byglat bort, lärt sig bygla bort eller blivit bärgade på grund av stödsensorn...."
Jag minns inte i vilken äventyrshoj-film det sas, men jag tror det var någon av "Long way" filmerna.
Är den bra, ja, är det något som kan ställa till problem, också ja.
Ska man eliminera problemet innan man åker och bygla bort den då, eller ska man bara tillverka bygeln och ha den med sig? Valfritt.
Jag har aldrig blivit stående för att det är slut batteri i nyckeln, för mina nycklar har aldrig haft batterier.
På en modern hoj, köp ett reservbatteri och ha med dig.
Behöver du inte använda det så är det en kostnad motsvarande en Vuxenvälling på Starbucks
Och alla kardaner bytes gratis var 6000 mil för alla 1200/1250 vattenkylda. Infon nedan är stulen från advrider.com, och absolut inte verifierad som korrekt från BMW, men det förefaller onekligen så:Läser nu att nya GS1300 så ska kardanen inspekteras var 2000:e mil!
Bytas efter 8000 mil. Till den facila kostnaden av 9k
Fan det är sämre än att åka kedjehoj
Del två av serviceinformationen från min post ovan (för många tecken):
FREQUENTLY QUESTIONS
To support your customer communication, please use the help listed below. If you have any further questions, please contact your responsible market manager.
What changes does the maintenance plan for the R 1200/1250 models (K5x) have and since when are they valid?
BMW Motorrad has decided to adjust the maintenance schedule for the above-mentioned models in the interest of customer satisfaction over the life of the vehicle. The following content has been newly added:
- Replace the cardan shaft every 60,000 km (mileage of the cardan shaft, not the vehicle). This exchange takes place over the entire lifespan of the vehicle at BMW Motorrad’s expense.
- Maintenance recommendation: check the cardan shaft every 20,000 km (tester-guided test method) and re-grease the splines. This recommendation is not a mandatory content of the maintenance plan and is only carried out at the customer's request and expense.
The changed maintenance plan has been valid since the beginning of October 2023, and for vehicles with model year 2024 even since the start of production in August 2023.
Which vehicles are affected by the change?
The changed maintenance plan applies to all R 1200 / 1250 models (K5x) since the start of production (also retroactively).
Why is the cardan shaft no longer maintenance-free?
During ongoing field observations, BMW Motorrad has discovered that the cardan shaft of the R 1200 / 1250 models (K5x) occasionally suffers damage that impairs the function of the drive.
In individual cases, propulsion can be lost. The cases we know of show an increase with higher mileage, and there is also a connection with the technical design of the drive train (including driving position) and the segment-specific usage behavior.
These complaints occur to a greater extent with the R 1200/1250 GS models and government vehicles in the series than with the road models. Against this background, a service campaign was decided on for these models in 2022, as part of which the cardan shaft would be replaced at 60,000 km and at low temperatures.
After more frequent mileage, a specially developed test method is used to check for previous damage to the universal joints.
In the road-oriented models of the R 1200 / 1250 family, cardan damage only occurs extremely rarely.
The more moderate chassis geometry (lower articulation angle of the cardan shaft in the swingarm) as well as the usage profile without any terrain component ensure a significantly lower load level on the component.
Nevertheless, BMW Motorrad has decided to adapt the maintenance schedule for all models in the interest of customer satisfaction over the service life and as a preventive quality measure.
What costs will affected customers incur?
The mileage-related replacement of the cardan shaft is free of charge for customers over the entire life of the vehicle, even if the replacement limit has been reached several times and regardless of the vehicle's age.
The recommended (voluntary) inspection every 20,000 km increases the workload as part of the inspection by 9 AW.
Why is the exchange mandatory and the verification voluntary?
In view of the higher risk of damage as the duration increases, BMW Motorrad ensures that customer satisfaction is the focus over the entire lifespan of the vehicle by offering preventive, free replacement of the cardan shaft at regular intervals, even for older vehicles and frequent drivers. Checking and re-greasing at intervals is at the customer's discretion in order to take into account the different operating conditions of the vehicles and the personal priorities of the driver.
Why is the exchange carried out at the expense of BMW Motorrad, but the inspection is subject to a charge to the Customers?
Since BMW Motorrad is changing the maintenance plan retroactively, it would not be customer-oriented to subsequently impose increased maintenance costs for standard content on affected owners of an R 1200/R1250. BMW Motorrad will therefore cover the costs of replacing the cardan shaft for maintenance reasons. With the voluntary inspection every 20,000 km, it is the customer's decision whether to have this carried out or not. It is therefore his decision whether he wants to bear the associated costs or not.
Will the customer suffer any disadvantages if he foregoes the voluntary, paid inspection?
No, this does not result in any disadvantages for the customer. A rejection of the maintenance recommendation is not documented in the service history.
How will affected customers find out about the changed maintenance plan?
Depending on the country, affected customers with vehicles up to model year 2023 will either be given an insert for the operating instructions during their next visit to the workshop or sent directly with an information letter.
From model year 2024, the maintenance plan is already included in the operating instructions; affected customers will no longer be informed separately.
Will there also be maintenance plan content for the cardan shaft for other series with cardan drive in the future? For new series there may be maintenance plan content for the cardan shaft (e.g. for the R 1300 GS).
There are no changes to the maintenance plans for existing series (K series, R nineT models or R 18 models). (On the R 18 models, re-greasing the splines with spray wax as part of every maintenance visit has been mandatory since their market launch).
Why do the maintenance schedule contents of the R 1300 GS differ from those of the previous model?
The specifications for replacement and maintenance intervals depend on the technical design of the component and its use in the respective vehicle.
Why isn't replacing the cardan shaft on the R 1300 GS free of charge for the customer?
BMW Motorrad will cover the costs of replacing the cardan on the K5x series, as the maintenance plan change is made retroactively for the vast majority of customers, i.e. the customers Purchase did not have to assume that these inspection costs would be incurred. This is not the case with the R 1300 GS, here is the wait
AFFECTED VEHICLES
A list of the affected vehicle identification numbers is made available to the affected markets on a daily basis in the TCM (Technical Campaign Management). Affected BMW motorcycle Partners will receive a list of their vehicle identification numbers in the known local systems as soon as the promotion has been approved by the respective market.
Before processing the technical action, it must be checked in AIR or S-Gate whether the vehicle is actually affected by this action. Not all vehicles in a model series are always affected by an action.
CONTACT
Dorit Mangold, EX-VA-2
Phone: +49 89 382 33664
E-Mail: info.campaign@bmw-motorrad.com
FREQUENTLY QUESTIONS
To support your customer communication, please use the help listed below. If you have any further questions, please contact your responsible market manager.
What changes does the maintenance plan for the R 1200/1250 models (K5x) have and since when are they valid?
BMW Motorrad has decided to adjust the maintenance schedule for the above-mentioned models in the interest of customer satisfaction over the life of the vehicle. The following content has been newly added:
- Replace the cardan shaft every 60,000 km (mileage of the cardan shaft, not the vehicle). This exchange takes place over the entire lifespan of the vehicle at BMW Motorrad’s expense.
- Maintenance recommendation: check the cardan shaft every 20,000 km (tester-guided test method) and re-grease the splines. This recommendation is not a mandatory content of the maintenance plan and is only carried out at the customer's request and expense.
The changed maintenance plan has been valid since the beginning of October 2023, and for vehicles with model year 2024 even since the start of production in August 2023.
Which vehicles are affected by the change?
The changed maintenance plan applies to all R 1200 / 1250 models (K5x) since the start of production (also retroactively).
Why is the cardan shaft no longer maintenance-free?
During ongoing field observations, BMW Motorrad has discovered that the cardan shaft of the R 1200 / 1250 models (K5x) occasionally suffers damage that impairs the function of the drive.
In individual cases, propulsion can be lost. The cases we know of show an increase with higher mileage, and there is also a connection with the technical design of the drive train (including driving position) and the segment-specific usage behavior.
These complaints occur to a greater extent with the R 1200/1250 GS models and government vehicles in the series than with the road models. Against this background, a service campaign was decided on for these models in 2022, as part of which the cardan shaft would be replaced at 60,000 km and at low temperatures.
After more frequent mileage, a specially developed test method is used to check for previous damage to the universal joints.
In the road-oriented models of the R 1200 / 1250 family, cardan damage only occurs extremely rarely.
The more moderate chassis geometry (lower articulation angle of the cardan shaft in the swingarm) as well as the usage profile without any terrain component ensure a significantly lower load level on the component.
Nevertheless, BMW Motorrad has decided to adapt the maintenance schedule for all models in the interest of customer satisfaction over the service life and as a preventive quality measure.
What costs will affected customers incur?
The mileage-related replacement of the cardan shaft is free of charge for customers over the entire life of the vehicle, even if the replacement limit has been reached several times and regardless of the vehicle's age.
The recommended (voluntary) inspection every 20,000 km increases the workload as part of the inspection by 9 AW.
Why is the exchange mandatory and the verification voluntary?
In view of the higher risk of damage as the duration increases, BMW Motorrad ensures that customer satisfaction is the focus over the entire lifespan of the vehicle by offering preventive, free replacement of the cardan shaft at regular intervals, even for older vehicles and frequent drivers. Checking and re-greasing at intervals is at the customer's discretion in order to take into account the different operating conditions of the vehicles and the personal priorities of the driver.
Why is the exchange carried out at the expense of BMW Motorrad, but the inspection is subject to a charge to the Customers?
Since BMW Motorrad is changing the maintenance plan retroactively, it would not be customer-oriented to subsequently impose increased maintenance costs for standard content on affected owners of an R 1200/R1250. BMW Motorrad will therefore cover the costs of replacing the cardan shaft for maintenance reasons. With the voluntary inspection every 20,000 km, it is the customer's decision whether to have this carried out or not. It is therefore his decision whether he wants to bear the associated costs or not.
Will the customer suffer any disadvantages if he foregoes the voluntary, paid inspection?
No, this does not result in any disadvantages for the customer. A rejection of the maintenance recommendation is not documented in the service history.
How will affected customers find out about the changed maintenance plan?
Depending on the country, affected customers with vehicles up to model year 2023 will either be given an insert for the operating instructions during their next visit to the workshop or sent directly with an information letter.
From model year 2024, the maintenance plan is already included in the operating instructions; affected customers will no longer be informed separately.
Will there also be maintenance plan content for the cardan shaft for other series with cardan drive in the future? For new series there may be maintenance plan content for the cardan shaft (e.g. for the R 1300 GS).
There are no changes to the maintenance plans for existing series (K series, R nineT models or R 18 models). (On the R 18 models, re-greasing the splines with spray wax as part of every maintenance visit has been mandatory since their market launch).
Why do the maintenance schedule contents of the R 1300 GS differ from those of the previous model?
The specifications for replacement and maintenance intervals depend on the technical design of the component and its use in the respective vehicle.
Why isn't replacing the cardan shaft on the R 1300 GS free of charge for the customer?
BMW Motorrad will cover the costs of replacing the cardan on the K5x series, as the maintenance plan change is made retroactively for the vast majority of customers, i.e. the customers Purchase did not have to assume that these inspection costs would be incurred. This is not the case with the R 1300 GS, here is the wait
AFFECTED VEHICLES
A list of the affected vehicle identification numbers is made available to the affected markets on a daily basis in the TCM (Technical Campaign Management). Affected BMW motorcycle Partners will receive a list of their vehicle identification numbers in the known local systems as soon as the promotion has been approved by the respective market.
Before processing the technical action, it must be checked in AIR or S-Gate whether the vehicle is actually affected by this action. Not all vehicles in a model series are always affected by an action.
CONTACT
Dorit Mangold, EX-VA-2
Phone: +49 89 382 33664
E-Mail: info.campaign@bmw-motorrad.com
Comeback
Gudomlig sporthojare
- Gick med
- 25 Jul 2010
- Ort
- Göteborg
- Hoj
- Suzuki SV650S -00 såld TriumphSprintRS-01 såld Suzuki GSX1300R -08
Kan jämföras att slutväxeln på en BMW R90S höll över 40000 mil ....Läser nu att nya GS1300 så ska kardanen inspekteras var 2000:e mil!
Bytas efter 8000 mil. Till den facila kostnaden av 9k
Fan det är sämre än att åka kedjehoj
men den slutväxeln var ju tillverkad på 1970-talet !
1970-talet då när BMW var ett kvalitetsmärke eller vad tycker ni ?
SJP
Lattepappa
- Gick med
- 15 Apr 2007
- Hoj
- Tusenkubikade Falken & Vansinnesgrön plastmisil (i bitar)
På sjuttiotalet kanske det var mer normalt att man servade sådana grejer än vad det är idag?
Det sagt så år 8000 mil är ju halvdåligt, när är senast någon bytte diff på en bil?
Ganska vanligt förr men även på vissa bilar i modern tid, tex Jeep GC 5,9... Bytte även diff på min MB 300TE 4-MATIC då den var slut redan vid 23.000 mil.
Att BMW tar ansvar för denna sak kostnadsfritt för alla framtida kunder under hojarnas hela återstående livslängd är ju ett ansvarstagande som andra tillverkare kunde ta efter.
Jag får ny kardan i april, med 8.500 mil på mätaren är det bara att köra vidare med nya grejor där bak.
Får du en ny kardan för att den nuvarande har packat ihop, eller för att du passerat 6000 mil som nämns ovan? (själv fick jag en ny vid 2000 mil - men efter garantitiden - pga att den första rostat fast i splinesförbandet).
Ställer frågan för att serviceåtaganden efter garantitiden hanteras olika beroende på marknad - jämför VW:s hantering av "ful"-mjukvaran där USA-kunder fick skadestånd medan EU-kunder bara fick ny mjukvara (och högre förbrukning)
notrightrider
Thought is the enemy of flow
Och sämre prestanda - för oss som drar tungt.
Läs Doolars inlägg. Det blir byte till ny kardan trots att jag har smort mina splines regelbundet och inga fel i övrigt.
BMW har fått ett antal fel på sina nya hojar men de har ju tagit ansvar för dem. Så behåller man kunder - trots fel - och de kan uppenbarligen fortsätta att ta SNUSKIGT betalt för nya hojar.
Men det betyder också att man törs köpa en begagnad.
Exakt. Fel gör alla, det är hur man tar hand om kunderna efter som är det viktigaste, och det är ju svårt att klaga på att få fria byten av kardan resten av hojens livstid. Mil eller hur den är servad spelar ingen roll heller. Inget tjafs om vem som äger heller etc.
Jag ska ringa JE68 i veckan och höra när de kan ta min 10500-milare.
sportbilsentusi
Obotlig bil/MC/klock och musik/HIFI-nörd
Mycket bra!
Läser nu att nya GS1300 så ska kardanen inspekteras var 2000:e mil!
Bytas efter 8000 mil. Till den facila kostnaden av 9k
Fan det är sämre än att åka kedjehoj
Oavsett vem som betalar så får man ju flera kvalitetskedjor för 9000 spänn…Och att byta tre-fyra stycken kedjor känns fortfarande som ett mindre jobb än att byta en enda kardan…
Suck. Tur att Spårt Hojjar har kedja så man slipper detta svammel.
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